Your real good with dishing it out but somehow just can't take the same back, huh? Guess you were just hoping I WOULD just shut the hell up and move on and let you party on my scraps? Naaww. Note, I said "imbeciles"...plural...which even includes ME! Yes, this thread has gone wacko, it did a long time ago when it lost focus and ended up being a personal best seller. I no more have an "ego" like your suggesting than you have a valid reason to cry fowel. Your not exactly handing out candy canes and saying ho, ho, ho on this thread! Darn, I WISH I had a smidgeon of that ego thingy, then I wouldn't get flustered so easily and folks wouldn't have me regularly for breakfast, dinner and supper on a constant basis. For all it's worth, I apologise, even to YOU Cybermonk, this really IS stupid, and it should NEVER have gotten that dumb, especially with something that is so sensitive a topic in various ways.