shrug I'm not going to flame you, so doan look at me. Have to disagree on two counts - in the instances you listed, lots was solved by fighting or not fighting, the enslavement and occupation of the south Vietnamese people for one. This isn't fighting though, at least not in the same context as the vietnam conflict, or WWII. This is argument between two sides whose minds aren't going to be changed by rhetoric. A lot of them aren't interested in the actual conflict, they're interested in making propaganda points at the othe guys expense.

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