Damn, I never thought I'd say it, but Illusions hit the nail on the head... :-) Will all combatants please read and re-read that post before resuming the public floggings? :-) {what is it with pride and ego that makes people refuse to give a little.} Xena, you answered your own question there... Pride and Ego combine to make people refuse to give, even a little... But that's a mighty passifistic post for a Warrior Princess; is this the Kinder, Gentler Xena? :-) RE: Nothing being solved by fighting: Fighting can sometimes prevent a bad situation from becoming WORSE (both World Wars, for example - we'd live in a very different world if Kaiser Wilhelm had conquered and united all of Europe, and if the Axis powers and won WWII, we would probably all be speaking Japanese (IIRC, Hitler would have controlled all of Europe except for Italy, Mexico, possibly South America, and all of Asia except for China and Mongolia, Italy would have run Italy, the Middle East and Africa, and Japan would have probably controlled the entire Pacific, China, and North America). BUt there are many cases where fighting made things WORSE as well, and the constant eruptions between the fora are a definite example.