soul survivor, Yep, I saw your post in the DAZ forum, and it's pretty odd the problems your having. I'm not saying DS doesn't crash, because it obviously does on some systems, but yours seems to be quite an unusual situation. I won't say it's your system. That's stupid. But there may be some weird compatibilty problem and who knows what it could be. These things are so difficult to pinpoint. Sorry to be so unhelpful. It's hateful when these things happen and there's no rational explanation. BTW, have you tried uninstalling and installing a previous version? I make a point of always keeping previous versions, just in case. As a matter of fact, I've already uninstalled this version and gone back one. That was because of a smart-parent bug where some props (but not all) are opening in strange positions. I'm finishing off the DS version of a new product, so I was forced to go to an older build. Really annoying because I can't play with all the new save options. mac