O, I have toolBox and Clothing Creator and another another one - I just plain don't have the time or peace of mind to tackle one of them . . . ho hmmmm I think I have most or all of the morphing clothing from DAZ, I did get one dynamic gown from Renderosity that would be a perfect start, but haven't tackled that learning event either; I don't learn programs well from reading and thought tutorials are better, I have so many people demanding my time for other things that I couldn't even get through one attempt without someone messing with my mind! LOL poor me, right? yet, I've started and if they'd all just go on a 2-year vacation somewhere, I might be able to bluff my way through the rest . . . grandmaing wasn't supposed to be so time consuming . . . .