Reubens had an interest in cetain types of women and did a lot of paintings of those It wasn't just Reubens, although he's the best known for it, because he used his young, plump, attractive wife as a model a great deal in his later work. However, the plump, pink, dimpled women were the ideal of the day. bonni

ROFL Jim! That guy's other head is probably bigger ;o) S'funny, actually.... one of the most beautiful and captivating girls I have met in recent years has a very, very small head. Wayyy out of proportion to her body. And also she is very well developed indeed. Natural D-cup on a beautiful and slender figure. And natural blonde (Swedish) but right now she's dyed dark reddish. Which looks great with the piercing blue eyes. But on her, the little head works.... somehow, lol. Although I must admit I get this almost irresistible urge to scale up her head by 15% or so! :] Fish

I scale my V3 head to 108% and increase X as well. Even then I still think the head is a little too small. So I agree totally with Jim. Love esther

Attached Link: A lot better example than Jesse

***What bothers me is when these impossible bodies are presented as examples of realistic ideas. When people are deluged with these images on television, billboards, posters, the internet, magazines- really everywhere- they start accepting it. This contributes to people wasting time, money, and health to attempt to meet the ideas, or otherwise to their low self-esteem.*** Not everyone can be as perfectly proportioned as Meredith Wilson, so isn't self-esteem something everyone has to determine for themselves? (hence the self part of the term) The deluge of images are usually trying to sell products like cosmetics and other consumables. It's only the ppl that fall into the trap of believing the illusion they present and take the impossible for real. Fantasy images are quite a different matter since how many could actually emulate the heroic proportions of most superheros? They're usually role models for their deeds and principles not for the realism of their bodies so I wouldn't go looking to emulate them for those.

isn't self-esteem something everyone has to determine for themselves? And not everyone bases their value as a person on the size of their boobs. ;-) bonni

"Clothes once limited to streetwalkers are now made in little girls' sizes. It's no wonder that the average age of puberty onset for girls is plummeting." I don't think you can blame the fashion industry on that one. Good nutrition is the major culprit. Girls aren't the only ones who are hitting puberty earlier either, and once the hormones kick in, they start morphing into adults despite the comfort levels of the adults around them.

And not everyone bases their value as a person on the size of their boobs. ;-) does my Yoda impression And well they should not! That's why I always find it strange when you hear about kinds of things like eating disorders and such in teenagers. Couldn't they figure out what kind of distortions and illusions they're basing the ideas on? The modeling industry is a bit more understandable since the pressure to sell the illusion they want to use for the products is probably pretty high and the things they had to do to comform to those illusions to get the work done must be fairly difficult.

Folks... arent you thinking too much? ;) There are so many sizes as people... (Im a sci-fi nerd, I love the title)

I think there is a lot of psychological and sociological support for the idea that self-image isn't controlled merely by logic. It's easy to say I should be happy with who I am, but it's harder to feel it, and it's even harder to keep feeling it when the world around you is telling you that you're wrong.

It's easy to say I should be happy with who I am, but it's harder to feel it, and it's even harder to keep feeling it when the world around you is telling you that you're wrong. Hear, hear! Now, everyone quit bitching about my pinhead! I'm sensitive enough about it! ;-P bonni

My personal taste leans strongly towards more realistic-appearing characters.

BUT: I am in favor of Poser characters looking like whatever the artist wants them to look like.

In the meantime, I'll simply avoid images that don't interest me.

Jim Burton's characters do interest me.

This is what they thought was the ideal at the time. There's three important words there: "at the time". Oh, and another one: "they". "At the time" and "they" are rather variable when it comes to determining what is attractive (in men and women). To use an example currently in the news, I know people who thought Lindsay Lohan's change into blonde crack-whore mode was highly attractive because blondes are better and women who look like they've just completed the Buchenwald weight-loss program are attractive. Some, however, were disgusted (as you can tell, I am one). On the other hand, I'm one of the guys who would have NVIATWAS showing perhaps a bit more muscle than would be the tandard societal norm. Some people don't like that, and I can understand it. So trying to pick what's an ideal is a fool's game.

Agreed on the lindsay lohan thing........ DAMN!!!! .......what a freakin waste!!!!

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I didn't realize how small Vickie's head was till I decided to do a takeoff of one of my favorite cheesecake images, the Raquel Welch poster for the movie "One Million Years BC". I think I had to make the head 25% larger than the standard Vickie. I had to shrink the length of the torso and plump Vickie up with a mix of the pear shaped figure and muscles. There weren't any breast morphs that would allow the correct proportions and I gave up trying to achieve a resemblance to Raquel's face. It was interesting seeing how differently proportioned one of the sexiest stars from the sixties is compared against Victoria. If you think Vickie has no mouth, how about Japanese anime characters with mouths smaller than the iris of their eyes?

There was (is?) a virtual Raquel, floating out there somewheres....

When I started reading this thread, I immediately thought of one issue of an online comic I follow. The guy with the crystal ball in front of him, and an extremely large breasted woman across the table from him. His says,"All I see in your future is lower back problems." Haven't seen many that size in my neck of the woods ...