Yeah I might do that, thanks to both of you for your input. I had a feeling 3.1 crashed on me due to importing Vic3 but from what I was able to see in 3.1 it's an amazing program. E-on has 4.0 Vue on sale for 69.99 and I can upgrade to 5.0 cheaper than purchasing 5.0 straight out. Is there a lot of changes in 5.0 as in lot more features or should I wait on the upgrade?