Thanks to everyone for their help :) I figured out that it was cheaper to purchase 4 and then purchase the upgrade to 5 than buying 5 outright, saving 20-30 dollars. Now they've listed V4 as a download only for 69 dollars. I went ahead and bought that around 230EST...so far no link after 7 hours and there wasn't anything on their site that said I am going to have to wait X period of time before I can get the program. Read the fine print that says for the boxed versions it will take 4 days JUST to hand over to the delivery guy [FedEx/UPS] Then X days for them to get it to me [charging me top fees too!]...I searched thru some FAQ and there was one back in 2002 a lady who bought a download link said she had to wait 4 days and then on a dial up connection had to DL over 500megs of stuff in 24 hours. They replied to her kind of snotty "well I guess we'll have to send it to you on a disk and charge you 30 dollars." He claims the wait is for security....what, their office runner gets mugged frequently or something on his way to the postoffice which has caused them to alternate their runners trip schedule? I can't order my upgrade to Vue5 until I get the serial for 4 so it looks like I'm looking at a good 2 weeks maybe longer before I can get my hands on a copy. Probably why you can only order from the company, Amazon used to carry Vue but not anylonger. So while I'm eager and pleased that I've finally decided on Vue, I'm feeling bitchy and irritated [like my cat who just had 3 teeth pulled today at the vets!] about this wait time. And I thought I'd vent and bore you all to tears with it.