Well, the props Im working on are pushing 80k+ polys and, since my Poser modelling skills are not great, I know some of it has to do with some overlapping geometry [cant avoid it until I get more skillz!]. I can load and render them fine,though close up they cause some slowness, but under normal conditions they work fine. I do hope to put them in my store, but I wanted to make sure someone wasnt going to freak out about it. BTW: I need someone to test the items out before I actually bundle them up, if your willing to subject yourself to it, send me an email. snappertrx@rgdev.net, and just use the subject PRODUCT TESTING. Thanks! btw: I did find the tutorial on smooth and sharp edges, but I dont want to have to recreate the objects again if I dont have to. Will put it in my memory banks for future reference.