Starkdog, you've actually done a very good job with the shirt. I think that the "fault" has to do with Luke. I'm not certain for that figure specifically, but most of the "3's" use JCM to improve their shoulders. That could be what your running into. Check Luke in Morph Manager (or whatever other program you use) to see if there is a shoulder improving JCM. One work around that would work in any case is to just give the shirt a bit of room by scaling the "collar" group up a bit in the "Z" (front to back) axis. mike