Well, ynsaen and morrigan shadow have salready said it, but I'll repeat it anyway. I see the long dev time as being a distinct advantage. I've used DS since the first alpha, and in that time, I've seen features and tweaks that I requested added to DS. I'd rather have that, than see DAZ rush out a half-assed version just to keep the whiners happy. And since rob whisenant of the dev team probably knows more about the insides of poser than every member of this community combined, I have total confidence in his ability to turn DS into a serious competitor to poser. I don't know when that'll be, but it'll happen eventually. It's senseless to compare DS to P6, or even P5 at the moment. I'm a big fan, but it's not up there yet. What it is at the moment is a good basic app built on solid code which will allow it to be expanded a long, long way. I've used poser for over 8 years, and I love/hate it. But no matter how much we love it, there's no denying that the code is old and sometimes pretty creaky. The other thing that seems to divide opinion is the different UIs. I've never been a fan of the poser UI, but some people love it. Well, we all have our likes and dislikes and if you love poser's UI to death, you'll probably hate DS's. The only thing I can suggest to anyone trying out DS is DON'T try to pretend it's poser, because it isn't. It works differently and once you get used to it, it's great. mac