So by what your saying, does DAZ "refund" money for those not satisfied by their characters? I think not! Up to now there's been only two options, DAZ or Poser base characters...not much of a choice. Now there's a a new character that not only competes with DAZ M3 but imho blows him out of the water. This just gives more options to the consumer which in my opinion is a good thing. By reading all the above bashing you've done of Apollo one would almost think that you don't feel very good about options for the consumer. Sorry Andrea, I don't understand the chip on your shoulder. -jay