Well, I've got everything fairly satisfactory except for the fingers. The idea of doing this 30 times is kind of daunting, especially since none of the finger joints even seem to be placed (not using spherical falloff) for some reason. Very frustrating. Am considering a handless model lol. But the rest isn't too difficult but some questions remain: How often do you guys find you have to adjust the xyz center point settings in the joint editor? How often do you have to adjust the bulge settings? What about Joint Angles? I have been tweaking these here and there and am not really sure if it's necessary or not, from Jim's info I'm not gathering that any of those are necessary but I could be mistaken. -WTB