Well, well, well, if it isnt the ever arrogant Ringo coming down into this forum to tell someone off again. You know the problem in this forum isnt with people like me, its with people like you. We all basically get along here. We have different views on issues but we have respect for one another. We usually engage in a fair amount of discussion and people share their knowledge and experiences in the discussions. In the end we usually have a good laugh and we all part company on friendly terms. For the most part, by the end of the thread, I feel that all parties are happy that they participated. That is until people like you extremists show up and the first post in the thread is tell another member to take a hike. There are a few extremists here who would like nothing more then to direct the course of conversation on this forum. Then are the "say nothing bad about Eovia or their products" or we will attack you. They are to ones who say, "go away" when the truth is told. They are also the ones who are in constant contact with Eovia. We all know who you are. "Oh, don't say anything bad about Eovia or their products on the forum. Contact them secretly by e-mail so no one will hear about what is going on." Give me a break! The fact is that I am a Carrara user and I have dealt with Eovia. I will discuss with users here about issues that develop whenever I wish and I will not be shutdown by those who agenda it is to promote Eovia at all costs. I believe there are a lot more of us moderate Carrara users here who won't be molded or told what to say or not to say or how to say or where to say or who to say it too. You want to debate with me. I'm here. You want to attack me personally. Read the TOS! You few outspoken company frontmen don't run this forum or this website but you have forced the moderater to lock a few threads due to your postings and misbehavior. So dont tell me where to go because I certainly have never told you where to go.