"If you've hated daz for years you must not like 3D art very much either, since they were one of the innovators and catalysts for much of what you see all over." by LornaW Simply not a true statement. They have incorporated a lot of inovations from the community into their products that is true. But the inovations have come from the community and they have addopted them. Easypose, Switching geometry, transmaps, python scripting, body handles, even injections, all by community menbers, not DAZ. Even Daz Studio is a 3rd party render engine with a copied Lightwave user interface thrown on top. I don't see that much inofative techknowlegy from Daz.