FireMonkey, I wish you would relax. Although I can except that you may well think I'm sitting foaming at the mouth [or other such activities] I assure you I am not. I am quite relaxed actually - sorry if it seems otherwise. I did however find you suggest that I was putting words in your mouth to be a bit odd after you had tried to suggest I had said that D|S was created because they felt limited by Poser - given that I have never said anything that even came close to that. However, I'm not interested in an arguement either - but that doesn't mean I won't express my opinion or point to what I feel are flaws in what others say and it also doesn't mean that when the meaning of a statement gets bent into some unrecognisable state that I will just let it go [well, sometimes I will - it depends] I've never believed in the idea of disagreeing in silence since if no one stands up on a point then it looks like everyone agrees. Sorry if this seems up-tight or hostle or whatever. I think you'll find that at worse I may be somewhat anal about such things but nothing more than that. Perhaps it's a result of many years of debate - I have a habit of keeping track of what is said and going back to it when I feel something is getting obscured or that something I said is being taking out of context. ynsaen: Since I'm not a lawyer it is possible that I may be wrong about implied acceptance - I have some knowledge on the topic but it is at best spotty [and that isn't even talking about the differences between law in different countries - I get the feeling you are in the US whereas I'm in Canada and there is a significant difference in the laws between the 2] As for Ford putting some companies out of business and all - fair enough, but in the end he was not able to have the exclusive right to build cars, which is after all the point I was trying to make. To be honest, I feel that men like Ford and the Wright Brothers did far more harm than good because of their attempts to have exclusivity over a concept. But, as I say, I'm not a lawyer and my knowledge of such things is historical and technical rather than legal and besides that is another topic and one which would take far longer to hash through and has no real relevance here so I leave it not as a challenge of anyone's views but as a clearification of mine. SnowSultan: While I understand what you are saying, you have to realise that since a product made for Poser can, in general, be used in D|S but a produce made for D|S is not so likely to work in Poser [understand that I'm taking the word of others here - so if the information is wrong I apologise] then someone who is creating things as a business rather than a hobby has to ask themselves how much time can they devote to a limited market? It would be nice if they did some, but when you count on your work to pay the rent, you have to put your efforts where they are likely to give the best returns. Not much of a way around it.