"so I get the impression from the thread here that the consensus IS that it IS ok to render an unchanged flame paramter and call it your own!" No... that is not what I meant at all... If someone just renders an unchanged flame parameter and calls it their own - that is called plagiarism. If someone changes the flame parameters and creates something somewhat different with them, then that is OK by me... even if those changes are not necessarily huge ones, the effort has been made to do something creative with those parameters. However, one also should take into account that with the sheer number of people using Apophysis, that someone is also possibly going to create something from scratch that looks a heck of a lot like someone else's work... what do we do in those cases? Do we tell people that a particular style is the realm of another artist, and that anything even looking like their work should have some acknowledgement to that artist? I'm just of the opinion that if we offer up flame parameters for free to all comers, we can't really get too precious about what some people will do with those parameters... The world is a very strange place, full of people with all sorts of moral backgrounds - some will acknowledge where a flame might have come from, and others won't. Simple human nature my friend... Personally, I have 28 starter flame sets of Mr P's - in directories designated such - the sheer volume and range of styles of those flames is phenominal... and the possibility of me creating something by accident that looks very similar to any of those starter flames is also pretty high. But I have never even used any of those flames... I only started to look at them when I read this thread... lol! T.

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