I read an article by the creator of Apophysis that said be careful what you give away as far as parameters if you are worried about what someone else may do with them. if you are being unselfish and sharing your stuff then you must realize that you have no control over it once you give it away. I personally have given credit to whoever shared directly with myself, and I will continue to do so. I appreciate the many vauable friendships I have aquired here at Renderosity. if someone asks for a parameter from a posted image, I will share it. Without Mr Mark Townsend, none of us would have the priviege of using a incredible program like Apophysis