I would have to agree on the art theft point.I recall one artist in particular who was BANNED for mentioning that they had received and used a "gift" copy of paint shop pro in their notes.BOOM! She BANNED! No slap, no tickle, no more NOTHING on Rendo. Just because Jasc is a corporation losing $$$ ???Zero tolerance!!"Borrowing" art and removing an artists NAME, then reposting it in YOUR art gallery, not once, not twice, but repeatedly isnt worth batting an eyelid around here obviously.Those pictures remained where they were for a week before they were finally deleted and the thread of discovery was locked and then deleted PROMPTLY.Within DAYS. What up with THAT? Back on TOPIC: "Why in the world would someone need a "starter flame" to figure out an application as mind-numbingly simple as Apophysis in the first place??? And why in the world would all these people post these files and open themselves up to having their hard work stolen..." Mind numbingly simple??? Apo? Yes, the program is easy to use and NO, its not easy finding appealing flames. He's not saying his work was STOLEN.He's saying they arent far off the mark from the original flames and he wanted some credit for the original params.THAT in fact IS simple. Vanity and ego/pats on the back are all part of this community, like it or not. Did Keith discover the sphere in UF??? Hell, I dont know but every time I see a fractal with a sphere in it, I think of Keith...and every time I see one of yesitis' or coolbreezelady's "cosmic" flames posted, I'll think of Stefano.Guilt by association so to speak. LOL!