Hi pdxjims, thanks for answer, I am looking for clothing, also a shirt, for a waiter (service) in a restaurant. But I want that the clothing looks not so perfect and nice like the daz items. The shirt should have long arms which you can put up until the half. I dont know if I choose the right expression, - I mean the service man should wear his long arm shirt like we do in summer time - we put the arms up. thanks Tino2