oh so what i understand from all this is, that mr.P. 'borrowed' some flame parameters from ms. C. and made them as if it were mr.P's and gave them away freely, and now ask to get credit from it by others who uses mr.P's 'borrowed' mrs. C's parameters who shared them with others without demanding the credits ... so in short, who uses parameters from flames doesn't have to put credits of mr. P's because no one is sure if they were mr. P's or mrs. C's ROFL i'd say, mr. P. ... get over it, and start SMILING BTW whenever you use them parameters, you can say now, its made with the help of PC Have a nice day Harmen