chuckles: Well I have been able to do that and I made a lake. I really haven't spent as much time as I would like to on it. I seem always be drawn to poser no matter what I intend to do. There is always some character that is begging to be created or a scene that I just have to do. I did download the free copy of Amapi and that looks promising. the one thing about Bryce is that is just too much information on the screen. I have trouble keeping all the menus and tools straight as what is what and what does what to what....