Thx, Paul, but if you look closely at the bottom of the cylinder (which passes THROUGH the Cyc "figure", Y trans set to below the cyc), in both versions you'll notice shadow doesn't start from the edges of the cylinder, which it oughta. The above were just a couple of trial shots; In the real scene (which I don't want to show 'cos of possible TOS violations, and also giving away secrets..:-)) ), the shadows of the figures involved show the same effect, only more so. Makes them look like they're floating (even when their toes are buried.. As for turning shadows off, the main cyclorama is a figure. The shadows off is not an option. (Unless I've missed something somewhere...) Cheers, Diolma