Yep just heads so far Scott, Steve Cox explained to me whats happening and cinema is moving the order of the vertices around but keeping the same amount (his expanation was more technical of course :o) thats just my version).....i also heard that it was something to do with the way mirai exports the obj's but they didn't use it on the heads hence they work.....but i could have that wrong LOL........Nitrous I have no idea why your getting that error are you using V6?.....BTW its ok to scale head morphs i usually scale by 1000 then set the axis back to 1 then do the morph work then scale by .001 and they work fine......Steve