Yeah I can't remember who it was, but someone was all excited about trying to get a Lightwave Free Stuff section, and now after a few days, it's STILL empty! And I've been checking, because I needa verified LW 6.5 object of some sort, because I want to see if it can be converted in to something Vue d'Esprit can deal with. Oh well, I hope the MAX Free Stuff fares better than the LW section. 'course, it IS fun trying to make those MAX files work in non-Max programs. ;)