Bill you are sooooo funny. The special person wasn't Bloodsong, but the gift was her Dragon Factory. :) The bamboo isnt for the dragon factory its for another image. It is having huge problems, so it is being delayed somewhat due to transparency problems with poser imports into vue. It looks like Ill be doing some heavy post work if I ever want this image to be finished :( So much for progress! re your chinese phoenix...sorry sweety haven't seen one, but there is a great dragon rat in the gallery somewhere LOL Beck