I think xena is irked by the fact that statements like these, with nothing to back them up, are just pointless attacks on merchants in general, with no distinction between honest people and those who turn out crap. Along with obviously biased comments about DAZ (not only in this thread, but quite a few others), gives me the distinct impression that some axe-grinding is being done under the guise of making a valid point. Couple that with the comments about customers being somehow conned into spending their money on poser content instead of feeding their kids (or whatever), leaves me rolling in my seat laughing. Go target fruit-machine manufacturers or casinos, if you're so concerned about that sort of thing. mac