Thanks, I will get the demo. I have some money coming from a computer job that I did for some friends and I had planned to use part of it for P6 and Bryce 5. I am really interested in the lighting options, because right now poser lights suck big time. It might be my computer, but I can render the same scene 4 times and get four different looks, and the only thing that i might be moving are maybe the hands or something. Thanks for the input Butch