dang..you really did take a whack at it...lol.. thanks... yeah..i had the idea you had, but it wasnt really anything so complicated i was looking for... id remembered playing with it before and having light reflect off of a surface when the 'reflect' value was up and using 3d shadows..i think... all i was doing was playing the other day and was trying to do something, somewhat, simple and had just thought the idea might be an interesting and fun thing to play with... i was hoping it may be a simple solution i was overlooking involving the spotlight...lol.. apparently my thought was wrong...would have been nice though... thanks for working on a solution...what you came up with is really awesome...