m3 is a bit more difficult to work with. I'd love to make the same guy i pictured above with m3 but haven't been able to yet. Have you looked into one of Wyrmmaster's Massive men? or maybe the deformers for M3? http://www.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=2180 I think i understand what you mean. More defined muscles rather than the fat? I know Wyrmmaster had Massive Mike for M2. I still have him He's pretty bulky and i love using him. For a bulked up guy check out the freak. Though i think i prefer David he seems (for me anyway) more comparable to M2