Keith there are more way ,s then only your way i see each time critcal note ,s from you for anybody that follow a another way Creating a mask layer so as you do is that the way ? its of form a painting and has nothing to do with the real fractal lucky shot You folks create what you need and hidden the bad pieces or flying pixels !! I have much respect for your talent and that from Rykk and a lot more UF folks and have visit many times your flame .s and they are super But always that critical notes for anybody that follow another way then you is not fair You are not the fractallord him self ! only one of the better fractal artist,s ! Cheers Arend