I am complete calm Keith Have some UF par files for learning from the great ones in UF and i see how that works See there complete vase,s and birds and butterfly ,s create with the mask tool Most be a hell of a job but has in my opinion not much to do with real fracteling is more a form of art from and a clever artist :-)?? Okay you use UF for that but you can use any good graphic tool for that and import the layer However its not important how you create it, as the end result is good Peace Arend :-)