Great going Bob. Just want to clarify that to get the jpeg size reduction you have to reduce the quality slider and watch the the size at bottom of the upper right window of the 4up view. I usually don't have to go below 70% reduction in quality to arrive at 15k size of thumb, and usually I am in the 80's. At any rate, I will have to try the .gif procedure you mentioned to see what I get. Thanks for the option. Saw your first image in you gallery. Wonderful. I like seeing the larger view than I normally see on DA. Allows me to view more detail. Nice!