It's called 'a captive market'. CL has had an effective monopoly on the 3d posing market up till now. Sure, you can pose figures in max and lightwave, but if you're not a business or can't justify the cost by selling content, who wants to shell out that sort of money? To be fair to CL, they're selling poser at a throwaway price, so complaints have to be tempered by the fact that we're getting our 3-legged table for next to nothing (relatively speaking). But if nothing else, you'd think they'd take some pride in their work and try and make the dratted thing work properly. I'm haunted by this feeling that CL themselves are battling with the 80s code in poser. As someone pointed out above, you can forget undos in it's current incarnation. But maybe now that they have a parent company with money, a code rewrite might be under consideration. Of course, that'll mean that about half the things we take for granted, like MATs, ERC and opening files in notepad will be history. Horrible as poser can be at times, it's immensely hackable. For that, I can forgive CL quite a lot. mac