Machinclaw ,people ask for opinions on poser males and I along with many others offer them you might want to consider avoiding such threads if they hurt your tender feelings so much. just a thought ;-) Oh and those "garish" hands are just one option I chose for my "stylized" character, you see, Like apollo ,the default hands on M2 are a somewhat "petite" and on the "broken ribs" please look up "serratus" or "serratis" in a medical dictionary or check those wonderful "muscle maps" being sold at DAZ Option are nice :-) Penis?? Hmm dont normally do full male nudes but i do own the famous "ULF" penis character add on and the" Lee moon penis" as well So im covered if the need ever "arises"(Pun intended..ouch!!) Anus???? I cannot imagine EVER needing one for my types of renders/animations ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>"musles built into M2 made it hard to make M2 look like a normal guy,"<< ----------------------------------------------------------------- Really??? the attached pic was dial turned in about six minutes think larry david the creator of "sienfeld" or "Mr burns" ,Homer simpsons Boss oh and please Clam yourself ;-) its only poser stuff ya know it been proven that stress is really bad for you ;-)

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