Have you guys tried the free Zygote Man? Is he really M2? Also there's Project Human Male. Haven't tried him yet. And I just got the Boxer addon for Kongou (Heeh heeh!) and Cole for Apollo. Haven't had the chance to check it them out though. In my dream world of the perfect Male Figure, I would give M3: M2's build-in Muscle dials, David's morphs, Hiro's head, body and expression morphs; Hiro's materials, groups, and joints; Freak's Vein Bumps; Actual Eyes; Santania Addon; Apollo's rigging and ADS; and all this as easy on my system as Dork! That's not asking too much is it? ;) bB