GWeb, I owe you a small appologie for my flip answer to your question above. However, every post I've seen you make on this list has made it clear that you don't like either Carrara or Eovia very much and now it seems you've found yet something more to complain about. Why do you subject your self, not to mention those of us that do like the program and the company, to your constant complaints? If you don't like Eovia and it's products, just don't bother with it, there are a lot of other 3D softwares avaiable, One of them has to have all (or at least, most) of the features you want. Then, at least you'd be happy. I do not mean this as an attack, and I won't aparticipate in any "flame war" over the subject. I simply can't understand why someone that is as unhappy with a product and company, as your posts make me believe you are, would continue to suffer with it. mike