No trav, you took it the wrong way. You should think before you speak that I am entitled to like Carrara on some of its features. Carrara may have its limitations and would like to input some ideas to push it to upper limit. So, I really can't do much modeling with the current version of VM on some of my projects and it is disappointing. I am entitled to this opinion and imply to support my wish list for Eovia team to improve things in VM. Hexagon is released and Eovia recommends for some of us to use it. I thought I should try Hexagon and keep my mind open to see if I can do more modeling than VM. I am entitled to try it.