Wow Rick...thank you so much for such a complete answer. I think I'll print your answer out then I can follow it easily without getting click-happy with the open windows. Thank you again Sue Erm.......er..... can.......em.....can I have the file 'Texture - like the lines on my butt after I sit in a lawn chair' That really got my attention LOL (I feel a competition theme coming on :o)