No offense taken, Dogor I have both, and some excellent "add-ons" from here for them, and the one I have got from here is quality (Ember) :0) Daz sells M3 & V3 to the public, but even they have guidlines you must adhere to. George Lucas sells the "privilege" of just looking. He doesn't throw in an x-wing fighter at the theater for you to take home and re-market :o) So I would say Daz and Lucas offer something similar as far as entertainment, but both with their own set of rules. Look at each artist's item around here. They always mention what it is based upon i/e V3, M3, etc. They don't just throw something out there and say "this is all mine" no they mention "you must have the Daz V3 base, etc to use this prop" and I am sure Daz makes a few sales from that as well. Generalization is never intended to be a personal issue. Unless one turns it into such. If you ever seen the movie History Of The World Part 1, you might remember them telling about the artist being invented, and not long after the art critic L "Jabs and pokes" are what helps make change sometimes. If not, we would all be back to your "birds and trees" quote..boring :o) I am just an end product user, and not an artist here. I mostly come here to shop for medieval props, etc. Which is what I am off to do now. You should start one of those controversy shows on TV, you're good at it L To all else I can just say buyer beware. There are lots of sue happy people out there, and the web is a great place for them to feed. Just like politics and religeon, copyright issues have a lot of shaded areas as well, so always get permission first. If you get approved straight from the source, then the sky is the limit :o) This is my last post here..happy rendering