I agree with Dann-O. Myself, I've taken to modeling my entire scenes in Wings, then texturing and rendering in Bryce. It's much easier that way; even Bryce's terrains can be beat by Wings' modeling cababilities. Makes me wonder what could be done with 3DS Max! =) If I had the money, I'd forget both C4D and Vue and go for Maya. But, unfortunately, I don't have the money. =( I'll have to get it eventually for school, though.