Thanks again all. I played with the M3 poses and I found one that works great (after I turned the IK crap off. Hideous malformation before that.) schlabber, I've been to your site in the past and know it's not pornographic. My employer's internet filters pick up on the smallest reference to anything resembling "naughty". If I went to an Amish site that advertised "sweet sticky buns", I'm sure it would be blocked.