Gee, each Forum has its own mores... over in the Challenge Forum we carefully and graciously don't vote for ourselves... and it is hard to get people to come in and vote if we have an entry because it might appear that we were trolling for votes, and none of us want that! (How's THAT for a train-wreck of a sentence?) We just want more people looking at the entries because next time they might jump into the water with us. Carolly