Thanks for the replies again! It's a stand alone machine though it has a network card for broadband, but it has worked ok for a couple of years in that setup so I wouldn't think that would be a problem? Twas a thought to try safe mode, but again it still fails to show anything but grey lines for thumbs. Going back through my thoughts I have remembered that when I tried re-installing my original Poser 4 under my current installation (as it were) all the thumbs displayed for the older files but it didn't recogonise anything vaguely new, as in not even the grey man missing image or grey lines so 3/4 of my runtime folders were being ignored. I would imagine that it wouldn't be able to cope with the new files before the patch and upgrade to pro pack and of course when I put those on I end up with my current situation. Dont know if that helps? Also had a look in the poser.ini file but couln't see anything relating to thumbs in there.