a number of people model using boolean operations (that's modelling in bryce). personally i think that can only be used for quick and dirty jobs. if someone was to make a capital spaceship with a million details out of booleans, they can be my guest, that's not to say that I'll buy it. that said, i don't buy stuff. i sell it. if i want something, i can generally make it. if i weed through all the latest nipple gear, i guess i can find something for bryce that can suit my needs. the cool thing about this hobby market is that you can generally create anything you want, at comparable levels to all the high-end stuff out there. you can model something in a different program, plug it in bryce, texture it, and sell it as a bryce object. neat, huh? drac