Well, I'm out of luck, as I suspected :(, glad I wasn't holding my breathe. That really is too bad :(. Very unhappy at this point. Now then, 1 question. Lets say, I re-build/re-convert all my stuff back to .vobs. When Vue updates again ie 6/7/8/9 etc., are they going to be locked & will I have to re-do again, again & again? Based on how they change things? It's a pity they couldn't implement something like other programs do, ie Poser etc etc, where your older stuff is usable in the upgrades(exports), funny how atmos are exportable. Maybe they could look into something like Bryce does. You can't export ORIGINAL .obps but Bryce does recognize if the object was brought in thru another file format & lets you re-export it back out. Another words, if you import an object in 3ds(others) format, save as .obp, and want to re-export Bryce say OK, I see this item was converted. Hope I explained this OK. Can't imagine it would be that difficult. And it sure would make a lot oof people happy :) Debby - the saddened & disgruntled :(