thanks, Doug! LOL, i loved the blue but now i like the b/w better. kemal is also leaning toward that as well. doug, why do you like the other image of us better? yeah, using lower case for the URL is the standard. you're right, doug. kemal tried it like that and didn't care for how it looked. cindy, we also tried your suggestion about flipping the top layer. we like it better like this for some reason! thanks again! we sure do appreciate your feedback guys!!!