yeah pokeydots...that's the version I have. Doesn't work for me either ;o). At least you're in good company - everyone...LOL. Thanks TamiL, but I think the skin shader is what really makes it (tho the bumps are still to high no matter how much I tone them down...hehehe). Just as an aside to texture-makers, the maps don't really stretch that much at all. You can pretty much plop a picture down over the template (of course I'm exagerating...) and just stretch a little here a little there, and everything lines up. There are areas that overlap, so you gotta watch for them, but they are thankfully very few :o). Laurie