joezabel opened this issue on Aug 23, 2005 ยท 119 posts
kobaltkween posted Thu, 25 August 2005 at 8:21 PM
ok, i'm very middle of the road here. people should be able to say negative things about any product out there. i think one big problem with the negative feedback people are giving is that it's not very detailed, or occasionally inaccurate. for instance, in platinum club, i paid about $35 for v3 and all her morphs when she was originally released and fully on sale. no textures, no hair, no clothes, no props. even accounting for v3 being free (and mind you, she's free after just about everyone in the poser community has her, not on her release, and i got a voucher, not a refund, that actually ended up with me spending more money for various reasons that make the daz vouchers a successful marketing technique), the extra money might buy one hair piece, one prop, one clothes set or one texture, but not all four and not multiple of any of them. and miki does have morphs- that's what face room support is. you could consider miki herself a freebie, and the price the cost for the motorcycle, clothes, hair and texture. even at full price. i don't expect to personally agree with joezabel's assessment, but even given that, i wish he had been more specific. why was the hair unusable? what about the hair is so ugly? as is, it's not very helpful for either other people thinking about getting her nor for her creator nor any future creators (make the hair less "ugly" next time? make a "not ugly hair" freebie?). that said, i'd rather have gut reactions than "everything's perfect, all the time" with no actually honest reviews. if no one had ever complained about the mil big cat, would the seams have been fixed? would daz have updated the mil horse if no one had said anything? that said, everyone who complained about the horse at least was incredibly specific about problems and posted photographs illustrating the correct proportion/conformation, or methods to make it right. i think we all need to put people's reactions in perspective. so, if you're a content creator, expect negative feedback from some people and expect a lot of the people giving the feedback to be neither very concerned with yor feelings nor very coherent about why they don't like it. i'm not saying that's good or fair, but that's how people are and getting frustrated at it will just raise your blood pressure. conversely, if you're posting complaints, don't expect the people receiving them to be any less than human. they probably put a good deal of work into something you're disparaging; in the best situation they're still going to be kind of offended. if you're not specific and don't provide details about what you do and don't like, they won't even have the chance to change. and if you speak in absolutes rather than specifics (e.g., she's not worth it to me or in my opinion, but just, she's not worth it), not only are you going to have people disagreeing, they're going to be angry, offended, and unreceptive. so don't be surprised if you're comments are "this figure is ugly and should be given away free," that people is take offense. again, being aggravated at completely predictable behavior will just make your life more difficult. i'm not saying i'm personally perfect in this area- i know i'm not. and i'm not saying people shouldn't express displeasure at behavior they find offensive. just voicing my perspective on the brouhaha. oh, and as i've stated in a thread at daz, i don't see why miki can't be morphed into other ethnicities any less easily than v3 (in reference to she can only be japanese characters). v3 is not generalized or standard for human. she's a bizarrely tall, small-headed middle american caucasian who's own creator's ethnic morphs, to my eyes, tend to look inhuman from any angle but the front and mostly create visible mesh distortion around the eyes at full strength (asian ones). if anything, miki's features look more like most people on this planet than v3 default does. she already looks a lot like a family friend who's part black, part puerto rican, and part unknown. frankly, i've always thought figure bases should be asian because more ethnicities have features close to asian than any other i can think of. i think it's interesting, though not surprising, that people seem to think of middle american "white" (in my eyes, v3 default is definitely not european or slavic or even standard east coast) is somehow neutral and therefore more able to acheive variety. i haven't seen anything in real life to make me think this is at all true. supercgpro - the only thing i really want for miki is morphs that are divided by side (left and right). morphs for face and body, morphs for both shape and movement. how much i'd pay would depend on the versatility of the morphs and the size of the set. i would't pay more than i do for capsces' or garee's morph sets in the same situations (i.e. sale release price, then regular). beryld - your miki character's eyes and brows remind me strongly of Julianna Margulies from ER. garee - all the other japanese figures i know of are fairly stylized, like eroko and ayame. they compare better to sara, alexa and girl than v3, imo. i know zock has another earlier one, but i can't think of other mid-ground figures off the top of my head - do you know more? but i know of absolutely no other attempts at realistic japanese figures, male or female. if you do, i'd be interested in links. TamiL - does it make a good dynamic dress? i think it looks nice and that might be a way to avoid difficulties with conforming. philc - thanks so much! yay! i think that wardrobe wizard goes a long way towards bridging both the real and perceptual content gap. hmmmmm. do you think a "how to make wardrobe wizard optimized clothes" tutorial or something like it would be helpful? i'm pretty sure buyers would find that to be a good selling point.