lanaloe77, Thanks for the link. Yeah, I was reading about shadow pass render in the manual last night. Its neat to see that someone has taken the time to do the experiment! I have to try rodluck2001's method. It might just fit the bill. My only other answer was to try to match the material which would serve as the environment's ground surface. Now at least I have a couple of options to try, which is more than I had yesterday! 8) Gary Poole Keep pushin' those pixels and tappin' to the code!